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12/02/2005

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This is a great analysis, insightful and instructive. On an abstract level, which admittedly does not abut on public policy, I am bothered by another aspect of the Wal-Mart culture: it is the locus of a moral dilemma. Some of us have easy access to Wal-Mart (in my case, it's practically next door to my gym) but must travel 10 miles or more to the nearest Costco (which is unionized). But our incomes are such that we cannot afford to pass up Wal-Mart in favor of sstores with higher-priced mechandise (the same merchandise, marked up more). We don't like encouraging employers who exploit workers and ban unions--but we can't afford not to shop at Wal-Mart. Wal-Mart is aware of this, of course (if, that is, they care), and so I feel that I am in the same boat as the exploited workers--I'm an exploited consumer. I realize this is a trivial concern, and a bit of navel-gazing at that, but it does impinge (negatively) on the quality of life.

rhs

Battlepanda

There are historical precidents to this predicament. Many on the left are enamored with the EITC but it is in some ways a retread of the Speenhamland system in 18th century England. A subsidy to the poor is effectively a handout for their employers if they have no bargaining power over their wages.

none

This is a great analysis, insightful and instructive. On an abstract level, which admittedly does not abut on public policy, I am bothered by another aspect of the Wal-Mart culture: it is the locus of a moral dilemma. Some of us have easy access to Wal-Mart (in my case, it's practically next door to my gym) but must travel 10 miles or more to the nearest Costco (which is unionized). But our incomes are such that we cannot afford to pass up Wal-Mart in favor of sstores with higher-priced mechandise (the same merchandise, marked up more). We don't like encouraging employers who exploit workers and ban unions--but we can't afford not to shop at Wal-Mart. Wal-Mart is aware of this, of course (if, that is, they care), and so I feel that I am in the same boat as the exploited workers--I'm an exploited consumer. I realize this is a trivial concern, and a bit of navel-gazing at that, but it does impinge (negatively) on the quality of life.

rhs

tom hilliard

Sorry, I don't think this post is very well thought out. If I understand correctly, you're proposing a variation on the old Trotskyite "magnifying the contradictions" strategy, by which we deny Wal-Mart any relief until they knuckle under and agree to endorse universal healthcare. And at the same time, you're arguing that intermediate strategies like "pay-or-play" are politically infeasible. Sounds like a big casino gamble to me, with lousy odds.

If there's a universal healthcare system in America's future, it will probably come about through sneaky backdoor methods like the one Furman and Klein are proposing: co-opt low-wage employers to support a system that takes the pressure off their bottom line, stabilize it and roll it up the income scale.

It also seems to me that you utterly misunderstand Klein's point about union goals. Of course unions have to keep up the pressure by demanding better coverage in their contracts. They are, and they always will. The issue is not what individual union locals want, but what the labor movement wants and will support. That's the dispute that caused the CIO unions to leave the AFL back in the 1920s, and it's a structural conflict that has to be refought in every generation.

Ben

RHS:

I think you've hit on the essential dilemma, which is that we are all victims of Wal-Mart's bar-lowering. If it's so hard for us middle-class folks to avoid Wal-Mart, it's impossible for the poor, and we cannot blame them for that. The other element here is tactics vs. strategy. We on the Left have to decide what it is we want to accomplish, not just fire indiscriminate arrows at random targets, no matter how deserving. I don't claim to know exactly what that should be or how to accomplish it, but at least I can recognize that we shouldn't stigmatize/punish lower-class workers simply for working for Wal-Mart.

Linette

FYI, James Kroeger, author of The Republican Nemesis, has a new website: Nontrivial Pursuits.

Yep, he's got an answer for the Fear Walmart crowd.

Chuck

Great post. Some states and communities are making choices about the types of businesses they recruit and are pleased to see open within their jurisdictions. The data on Wal-Mart employees' reliance on public assistance is useful for pointing out that Wal-Mart stores are not high road economic development. It also seems to be good data for making the claim that the minimum wage needs to increase.

TwentyFirstCentury

Thanks. Definitely outside the box we've been rummaging around in blogosphere.

Michael Ettlinger

Excellent post. It is a quandary for those of us who are offended by America’s largest corporation being such a poor employer and also favor expansion of public healthcare programs. How can we advocate the expansion of those programs to cover working people and then complain when working people use them? The answer is that showing the numbers of Wal-Mart employees on public programs is not about those programs and more about hanging a bell on the conditions at Wal-Mart. It isn’t inconsistent to say “employers should do well by their workers but we have to take care of employees of employers who don’t do well by their workers—and we don’t like such employers.” Of course, some sort of national healthcare with widespread coverage is going to happen at some point. Either by the politics described—where employers get crushed by the private system and support the change to a public system, or by another politics where employers stop providing coverage, the financing of health care falls apart and the public and medical profession demand a public system.

Terry


Very entertaining issue. I haven't heard of this one. It will be necessary to visit you on a thicket!

Shannon

Walmart i think has their benefits for their employees. Me as a Walmart employee, i also got my benefits such as Medicaid or Food Stamps. Good thing i also work in their online store the walmart homepage http://www.rollingpricesback.com .

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