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05/10/2005

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Electoral Math

Aren't first-past-the-post primaries, aka "blanket" primaries, unconstitutional? Or are you talking about something else?

I'm not a big IRV fan ... it appeared to have really wacky effects on local elections in San Francisco. Plus in the end it encourages fringe candidates, discourages coalition building, and doesn't eliminate tactical voting.

Non-partisan redistricting with a bias towards competitiveness + CFR seems to get you most of the way.

C.J.Colucci

I think the question of "naturalness," for lack of a better word, gets short shrift in discussions of compactness and competitiveness. I live in a racially-mixed but plurality white middle-class neighborhood in the Bronx. Nothing but the most outlandish gerrymander could make it other than solidly Democratic. But the State Senate Republicans got p.o.'d at my then-Senator, whose district then included along with mine affluent Riverdale and a large chunk of Upper West Manhattan (both the stereotypical Upper West Side and Hispanic Washington Heights). Knowing that a Democrat would win in the district and any surrounding district, the Republicans gerrymandered him by cutting off different white enclaves and giving him a more Hispanic district in hopes that some Hispanic Democrat would beat him in a primary. (It didn't work.)
I was quite happy with the Senator I had. His concerns and interests very much coincided with those in my neighborhood, and we were part of his "natural" constituency. As part of the redistricting plan, however, my neighborhood became a tiny appendage to a largely poor, Hispanic district represented by a Senator whose concerns, understandably and rightly, were those of his main constituents, who have little in common with us. He spends next to no time cultivating us, and I don't criticize him for that. He is, and ought to be, predominantly an advocate for the far more needy constiuents who are his natural base. But the fact remains that his concerns are not ours and we have no political leverage over him.
Can computers and what-not factor this sort of thing in?

Ellen1910

An aesthetic argument might tempt voters.

Anyone know of a site out there dealing with topological issues of design of voting districts?

Marvyt

For true reform we need to eliminate winner-take-all races. Multi-member districts would go a long way toward giving everyone a feeling of being represented. Even if a district is 65-35, the 35percent minority deserves to be represented. I would even be in favor of proportional statewide voting. The independent redistricting committees are better than what we have now, but incumbents will still overly dominate the races.

Mark

As long as massive political reform is on the table, is there any good reason that every state has a Senate and House? Both are based on population, but Senate districts are bigger. What's the point? What's the problem with unicameral legislatures?

yoyo

Nebraska has a unicarmaral legislature.

But we have to have to bodies, since american law must follow English law, and England has to legislatures. so we do too.

Tim O'Keefe

Re: unicameral state leges.

What I like is the idea of having a house and senate, leaving the house as is--fairly small single-member districts--whereas the senate would be like many European parliaments. Have party slates, and then voters state-wide would vote for a party, and the number of seats for each party would be proportional to the % of votes received. That way you'd get both representation of regional interests and a voice for third-party type ideas (e.g., Greens, libertarians) that are currently excluded.

Joe

The independent redistricting committees are better than what we have now, but incumbents will still overly dominate the races.

Marvyt: I think that you focus too much on incumbents winning as a problem. As long as the official is responsive to the district he/she represents and CAN be held politically accountable, incumbency is actually a good thing. The last thing we need is to have a different set of 435 Reps every 2 years. Incumbents have the experience, expertise, and understanding of government and politics necessary to craft effective legislation. If incumbency advantages were taken away, lobbyists would be the only power in Washington. Independent redistricting is a powerful force to prevent safe districts (I live in Gingrich's old district, and even with an open seat race in 2004, no Dem ran for Congress, that is ridiculous) while still maintaining an effective Congress

murky

What is the point of county-size districts in an age of hour-and-a-half commutes by car, cross-country career moves,and instantaneous electronic communication with the other side of the globe? Thanks to zoning and real-estate prices, we could use geography to make political representation more class-based, and I suppose Marx if not other political scientists would say this would make politics more natural. But economic districting doesn't seem to be the rule. It looks like we game the system so as to foster a competition between ideas whose appeal doesn't have any obvious relation a person's wealth. Is that natural or good? I don't know, but it reflects some theoretical assumption I doubt I've ever had explained to me.

murky

I'm worried my point about gaming the system is opaque: I'm thinking in a Darwinian way about what kind of political ideologies or party platforms would evolve in two kinds of environments. In an environment of class-based districts, platforms that appeal to class would have a selective advantage and so could be expected to evolve. In an environment where districts are roughly even class mixtures, there's little advantage to tailoring platforms to class, and so we can expect political ideas will compete for votes by appealing to something other than class. I suppose race and religion are sufficiently common denominators to win some districts, but to win nationally I imagine you need to tap something deeper--human nature or "national cultural values." That seems a little crazy to me--like voting on a religion, and it seems to encourage the emergence of political platforms that are more like religions, having a wholly abstract appeal. "Special interests" has become a bad word, but what is geographic political representation but a harnessing or tapping of special interest? The problem is that the interests become less special to the extent populations are dynamic and districts are badly drawn.

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