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01/18/2005

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Bill

Are there any good, serious references on likely reactions of the world bond market to Social Security reform?

[Specifically, do you know of any trustworthy quantitative estimates of what happens if reform entails several trillion dollars in new US debt in the next decade or two, as opposed to the status quo: a several trillion dollar shortfall that may occur three or four decades out in the current setup under conservative-to-pessimistic secarios?]

Richard Cownie

Bill: I don't have any figures, but if SS reform were to result in the US government selling a lot more bonds, and buying a lot more stocks, then it seems a safe bet that bond prices would have to fall, and stock prices would rise - or at least that stocks would rise relative to bonds. That's the only way you could persuade enough current equity owners to switch into bonds.

I'd like to see a comparison between the economic effects of this, against the alternative of just increasing taxes on equity returns (dividends and capital gains) - which seems a simpler way for the government to take a cut of the stock market.

Marcus Stanley

May I suggest that the notion of ideology would be useful to you here. Ideology is a kind of seamless melding of interests and intellect. The emotional juice provided by interests helps ideologues vault over logical gaps in their arguments, and the intellectual justification allows them to feel that they aren't simply self-interested or shallow. Ideologies are the great weapons in political life and ideologues the great warriors. The Democrats lack a functioning ideology right now (the death of social democracy as an ideal has a lot to do with this). In its place they have tended to become the party of responsible technocratic government, which I think is a fine thing but lacks punch in a public arena where people don't understand very much about the complexities of policy.

Lakoff has some understanding of the power of metaphor, but he mistakes the metaphors for the underlying ideology itself. Unless there is an ideology underneath them metaphors do not catch hold and lack power.

Marcus Stanley

May I suggest that the notion of ideology would be useful to you here. Ideology is a kind of seamless melding of interests and intellect. The emotional juice provided by interests helps ideologues vault over logical gaps in their arguments, and the intellectual justification allows them to feel that they aren't simply self-interested or shallow. Ideologies are the great weapons in political life and ideologues the great warriors. The Democrats lack a functioning ideology right now (the death of social democracy as an ideal has a lot to do with this). In its place they have tended to become the party of responsible technocratic government, which I think is a fine thing but lacks punch in a public arena where people don't understand very much about the complexities of policy.

Lakoff has some understanding of the power of metaphor, but he mistakes the metaphors for the underlying ideology itself. Unless there is an ideology underpinning them metaphors do not catch hold and lack power. Clifford Geertz wrote an excellent piece on metaphoric systems back in the 70s that catches this well.

Anyway, it's too simple to call Bush's taxation position "cynical" and his democracy position "sincere". If his foreign intervention is so sincerely idealistic, then why did he only attack dictatorships that have traditionally not cooperated with the U.S. foreign policy/military/corporate elite (Iraq, Iran, Syria), while retaining alliances with traditionally cooperative dictatorships that actually gave support to Al Qaeda (Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Egypt)? And his tax position may appear cynical if you buy the fairness arguments behind "base broadening" (which have their own underlying ideology). But if you are driven by the idea that wealthy entrepreneurs are the most deserving people in our society, the actual creators of our collective wealth, and government has no right to take their money then they don't appear so cynical.

Marcus Stanley

Sorry for the double post, or the post and a half I guess.

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