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10/14/2004

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fubarsnafu

As a Minnesotan I have my doubts that anything Jesse does will carry much weight here. In his four years a gov. Jesse showed his interest was EXCLUSIVELY Jesse.

Virtually every piece of legislation he stood for effected him, if it didn't he wasn't interested. Besides he's so incredibly thin skinned even a letter to the editor could be used to set him off and derail or destroy any strategy he was being used in.

Andy

I'm a little confused about the difference between a c(4) and a 527. As a non-citizen, can I donate to them?

Kevin Hayden

Actually, Wisconsin's the state most at risk.

As for Jesse, as noted, he might be more effective in any other state. Imagine him opposing Arnold, for example, in an ad campaign.

Jeff L.

Another problem with using Ventura at this point: I believe he has publicly announced that he is not voting for anyone -- or either of the major candidates -- for president this year, because in his view there is no one worthwhile voting for, or something like that. How's that for civic-mindedness?

jl

I had the same reaction to this ad as you. It hits you like a punch in the solar plexus. But, uh, say, Mark, aren't you reasonably well acquainted with someone who has the kind of money to get this ad on the air?

Jon

As a resident of MN, I agree with Fubarsnafu. Minnesotans are mostly tired of Jesse's act.

john

My sense is with the mood of the electorate this is as much a pro Bush ad as anything: rally round the flag, rally round our troops.

That is probably a weird opinion but I believe that the reactions of the undecided voter are not 'rational' in the way liberals think about politics.

Fear, war, terrorism, the military identifies in the voter's mind with Republicans, not Democrats.

Reason

The American public believes George Bush can fight the war on terror more effectively than his challenger. The more the story is about the war, the more Dubya benefits.

Liberals who were anti-war to start with find the no WMD argument compelling. The rest of us don't.

Joe

I don't care about bush or kerry. There's both full of BS, it's just a matter of which one is full of it the most.

gorke

Another problem with using Ventura at this point: I believe he has publicly announced that he is not voting for anyone -- or either of the major candidates -- for president this year, because in his view there is no one worthwhile voting for, or something like that. How's that for civic-mindedness?


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A couple of related points: First, this is a good example of a point I've made often about campaign finance reform. This is an ad that does not say one word about the election, does not mention a candidate by name, a party, does not mention the administration or Congress. Nothing. It's entirely a statement of facts about the speakers experience in Iraq. And yet, it is a profoundly effective political ad. It's pretty hard to imagine watching it and then going out and voting for Bush. The big regulation in the McCain-Feingold law is the requirement to use hard money for any ad that mentions a candidate in the sixty days before a general election. But, as this ad shows, there are plenty of circumstances under which a pure issue ad can have an electoral impact. That probably becomes even more true as more and more effective ads work by indirection and allusion rather than the hit-you-on-the-head approach of old-fashioned advertising.

jeani

The other thing about this group is that they have former Minnesota Governor Jesse Ventura as an advisory board member, and also an ad featuring Ventura, which mostly criticizes the media. It seems Ventura has been very critical of the use of National Guard in Iraq and other aspects. Could he be used more? Wouldn't that have a huge impact in Minnesota, which I think is considered the state most at risk of going blue-to-red this year?

calra

The other thing about this group is that they have former Minnesota Governor Jesse Ventura as an advisory board member, and also an ad featuring Ventura, which mostly criticizes the media. It seems Ventura has been very critical of the use of National Guard in Iraq and other aspects. Could he be used more? Wouldn't that have a huge impact in Minnesota, which I think is considered the state most at risk of going blue-to-red this year?

maria

A couple of related points: First, this is a good example of a point I've made often about campaign finance reform. This is an ad that does not say one word about the election, does not mention a candidate by name, a party, does not mention the administration or Congress. Nothing. It's entirely a statement of facts about the speakers experience in Iraq. And yet, it is a profoundly effective political ad. It's pretty hard to imagine watching it and then going out and voting for Bush. The big regulation in the McCain-Feingold law is the requirement to use hard money for any ad that mentions a candidate in the sixty days before a general election. But, as this ad shows, there are plenty of circumstances under which a pure issue ad can have an electoral impact. That probably becomes even more true as more and more effective ads work by indirection and allusion rather than the hit-you-on-the-head approach of old-fashioned advertising.

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The other thing about this group is that they have former Minnesota Governor Jesse Ventura as an advisory board member, and also an ad featuring Ventura, which mostly criticizes the media. It seems Ventura has been very critical of the use of National Guard in Iraq and other aspects. Could he be used more? Wouldn't that have a huge impact in Minnesota, which I think is considered the state most at risk of going blue-to-red this year?

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he other thing about this group is that they have former Minnesota Governor Jesse Ventura as an advisory board member, and also an ad featuring Ventura, which mostly criticizes the media. It seems Ventura has been very critical of the use of National Guard in Iraq and other aspects. Could he be used more? Wouldn't that have a huge impact in Minnesota, which I think is considered the state most at risk of going blue-to-red this year?

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