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03/17/2004

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MattB

Other good takes on it:

Kos

Josh Marshall

Angry Bear

They also seem to be taking bad things they themselves have done and making ads saying that Kerry voted for it. Here, I mean the body armor and combat pay allegations.

I can't quite figure it out other than as some bizzare sort of prophylactic:Kerry ad: In the rush to war, Bush and Rusmfeld didn't even obtain sufficient body armor to protect our troops. And then they wanted to cut combat pay for those same troops.

Bush response: No we didn't. Didn't you see our ad last month in which we clearly say that John Kerry voted for those things?It's maddening. How do you counter it? Beats me.

AB

zwichenzug

One thing's for sure: the press is taking the bait. I'm going to scream if I read another process story about how the attacks are preventing Kerry from getting his message out.

memo to press: the difficulty has mostly to do with your preference for writing process stories.

blake

March 8th!

cs

Intriguing. I don't watch much television but from what I gather reading blogs, reports of Kerry's "crooks and liars" and "foreign leaders support me" are playing the same way. There's reason to speculate that both remarks were intentionally made for this reason. If true, then the Kerry camp is truly getting free advertising; BushCo at least had to spend for the original ads.

Barnabas Sackett

Can someone explain to me why they feel Bush's ads are so controversial? On the one hand you have the Bush ads stating Kerry's voting record and on the other you have Kerry calling republicans crooks and liars. Why does outlining Kerry's record equate to "Attacks" yet calling the Bush administration "the biggest crooks and liars" just display Kerry's willingness "to take the gloves off". It would seem that a persons record is more relevent than ad hominem attacks but maybe I just don't understand democratic politics.

MattB

Slate on the ads.

blake

Can someone explain to me why they feel Bush's ads are so controversial?

If someone has to explain to you why diplaying corpses for electoral gain and using racial profiles to incite fear is offensive, then perhaps you need a lot of help before the bigger picture can sink in.

Kerry was referring to Bush's attack surrogates--the Citizens United crowd, whose perfidity is well known and documented.

Barnabas Sackett

I see. So the official Democratic position is that the worst attack in US history never happened and it wasn't carried out by Muslim fanatics and that George Bush wasn't there in the aftermath and his leadership during the crisis is irrelevant to the campaign? I see. I suppose if none of these things occurred it would be quite controversial, unfortunately they did occur and are quite relevant to the campaign.

As for Kerry's remarks being directed at surrogates: “Don’t worry, man. We’re going to keep pounding. Let me tell you. We are just beginning to fight here. “These guys are the most crooked, you know, lying group I have ever seen. It’s scary,”. Where do you get the Citizen's United Crowd out of that? And then later it was the "Republican Attack Machine", but who is that exactly?

Are Kerry's comments all supposed to mean whatever you want them to mean? In that case I'll assume by "these guys" he meant the people he was with when he said it.

fnook

Barnabas

I've no idea about the official Democratic position, but I'm more than willing to concede some of Bush's legitimate accomplishments. The point is that a lot's happened in the intervening years to make Bush's major decisions, i.e. focusing on Irag, look less and less impressive in terms of how to best address the threat posed by well funded radical terrorists. I applaud Bush's ability to rise the occasion, but it's not impossible to imagine that Kerry, or any number of others, wouldn't have been able to hold his own just as well. What annoys me about many Bush supporters is their frantic behavior in the face of legitimate criticism.

As for Kerry's remarks, your outrage is underwhelming.

Barnabas Sackett

Frankly I'm really looking forward to hearing some legitimate criticism. It's funny to me how people are so willing to forget that Iraq is one of the reasons the "well funded radical terrorists" were so well funded. There is proof that Saddam Hussein had ties to the Al Quaeda network and it is well known that he offered $10,000 to the families of every Palestinian suicide bomber. It's also very clear now that much of the anti-war sentiment in the "European Community" as well as the UN was to enormous financial kick backs from the Dictator himself. Oil Contracts for France, the Oil for Food program, etc. were all more important than enforcing the UN resolutions and ending the tyranny of the dictator.

I agree that it isn't unimaginable that other Democrats would have risen to the occasion as Bush did in the aftermath of 9/11 but I can't imagine Gore or the current batch running for president (with the exception of Lieberman) would have in light of the glee with which the Democrats greeted the news of Spain immediately caving to the terrorists after the attacks in Madrid. (Let's not forget that Osama Bin Laden built scools too, what a good man.)

This war on terror is far from over but Kerry views it as a law enforcement issue just as the Clinton administration did. As you probably know, the Clinton Administration knew exactly where Bin Laden was and had several opportunities to get him but "there wasn't enough evidence" to move on him. Look what that got us.

You are right though. There are Democrats that view this differently but the choice is between Bush and Kerry right now. Given that choice Bush wins hands down on security.

Melanie

Barnabas,

Why does Bush win hands down on security? We're spending billions in an unnecessary war, and doing nearly nothing to secure our ports, nothing at all for rail and subways. We aren't any safer now than we were on Sept. 10, and creating new terrorists by the boatload.

Paul

Can Mr. Sackett explain to me why he thinks Kerry's remarks are so controversial? Kerry's remarks about "crooks and liars" are attacks on this administration's record. Calling lying crooks "lying crooks" is merely truthful.

As for the rest of the issues, I look forward to seeing President Bush accept Senator Kerry's invitation to discuss them publicly.

Barnabas Sackett

Paul, you're use of reason is quite impressive. I can only hope you and your candidate continue to exhibit this level of mature statesmanship.

Paul

Thanks. I learned everything I know from watching the Bush campaign operate in South Carolina in 2000.

Now, if you care to argue that Mr. Bush isn't a waffler, an incompetent, a coward and a pathological liar, well, be my guest.

butthead

Barnabas,

Hope you enjoyed 60 Minutes last night. Har Har Har!

Barnabas Sackett

Hmm. I wonder why Mr. Clark was fired in the first place? I wonder if CBS has a stake in the success of his book. And I wonder what Paul is talking about.

Still nothing but unsubstantiated invective, nothing new.

Paul

"Nothing but unsubstantiated invective" is another nice description of the current administration. Mind if I use it?

Barnabas Sackett

It looks like you're running on the "I know you are but what am I?" platform, Paul.

fnook

Barnabas

Still wondering why Clarke was "fired." Masterful performance in the face of "unsubstantiated invective" don't you think?

Barnabas Sackett

I agree. I was amazed at how easily Clark was able to contradict himself on so many things, and all while being under oath. I enjoyed his performance on Larry King. What a stand-up, righteous man of character he proved himself when he blamed 9/11 on Condi Rice not holding enough meetings. But in her defense, she had never even heard of Al Quaeda until she met the brilliant Mr. Clark.

You are right however. I mispoke when I said he was fired when he did in fact resign from his post. I don't find it contradictory at all that Clark's resignation letter was full of praise for the presidents knowledge and leadership throughout the time Clark worked there. Not in the least bit. As Clark said, and I paraphrase, when you work in Washington you say what you need to say to stay employed.

I wonder what town he works in now... and who he's working for.... Hmmm... No matter, he put on a tremendous "performance" and I believe every word he said because Katie Couric has given me everything I need to know about it.

Those crooked lying Republicans!! I weep for what they are doing to that poor honest man and this country. To say nothing of the children!!

Those rich racist Nazi monsters.

Now excuse me, I have to go to MoveOn.org and delude myself some more.

Barnabas

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