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Ashley Bowers

I think it is only a matter of time before impeachment proceeding begin but only time will tell!


I hope not, I love Bush. Finally someone is standing up against the evil in the world...are we forgetting Spet. 11th?

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Theory 2 ... for what it's worth?
Perhaps they were listening to Reporters and Journalists who were calling various contacts overseas for their information? What are the odds that a judge would OK the wiretaping of a reporters communications?


Theory Number 2...
Perhaps it's because they were listening to the comversations between Reports/Jouralists and their oversea's information sources? What judge in his right mind would sign off on the wiretap for a Reporter?


Interesting perspective. Wasn't it Townsend that Novak was calling Rove about and Rove was supposed to be so thoroughly prepared for the discussion - to defend her - that he had a ream of talking points on his desk ... of course Dana Priest's piece in WaPo this am throws a whole greater dimension to this.


To acquire a warrant thru FISA is easy and expeditious. FISA was specifically set up to address any need for a warrant in a matter of hours or even if needed sooner FISA empowers the Attorney General -- or his designee -- to start wiretapping immediately without a warrant on the stipulation a retroactive application is filed within 72 hours. It is said that FISA is very lenient toward the government's requests -- only 5 out of over 15,000 applications have been rejected since 1979.

So it is difficult to imagine what if any real hang-up there would be in acquiring a warrant. The guidelines necessitates only "probable cause," a minimal requirement. It is rare the government is ever turned down.

Insofar as questioning whether the information gathered could be shared with prosecutors makes sense if the way the information was gathered was illegal. One judge on the FISA court resigned in protest because he was not sure if the "evidence" was obtained thru illegal wiretaps in order to prove 'probable cause' to meet the requirement for a warrant to do so. Evidently he thought it serious enough to resign his post!

The law states a warrant is required before eavesdropping on American citizens. Bush chose not to follow the law. It appears Bush wanted to utilize data mining -- looking to see "if" any needles are in the haystack -- since FISA would not grant him those powers explains why bush circumvented the law. Nevertheless, he still broke the law -- no one, not the president, not the pope not even bush is above the law.


The enemy within. Huh.

Somehow that reminds me of "the light at the end of the tunnel may be you." (Aerosmith, "Amazing")

But in this case, I believe I know who the "enemy within" really is. Certainly not Fran Townsend.


That's a very interesting observation, and it leads me to a very curious thought:

I wonder if there might have been some warrantless surveillance before 9/11.


Or that someone was lying to the President about where the holdup was and the situation got out of hand.

"Uh, uh, the delay is in the FISA court."
"Then don't bother with the FISA court."
"Of course, Mr. President."
"Oh, CRAP!"


Kremlinology is so difficult sometimes.

November 2000, the FISC holds the meeting to consider the garbage affadavits coming from the FBI. Especially those out of the New York office. Townsend is in with the New York office. Townsend is for tearing down the intelligence/criminal wall. The FISC is not in with Townsend. Townsend is in with deputy AG James Comey. Comey stands up against the program in March 2004 when Ashcroft is in the hospital. Townsend is in with Comey. Ashcroft is for tearing down the wall, no matter what the FISC says. Townsend is not in with Ashcroft.

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